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You certainly show your full ignorance of the LDS information, as Yonge's parent's are clearly shown to be William Philip Yonge and Ann Easton, with other data on Clarence. If you send me your e-mail address, I would be very glad to send a scan of this LDS information, which I have right here in my hand. Obviously you are not perusing data correctly or just passing over this data lightly. I would advise you to check your sources more than once, perhaps three or four times, instead of just glossing over them lightly. Once again, I repeat, Yonge's parents' names are clearly shown in the LDS data, so don't try and claim credit for something that certainly is not yours.
In your last posting you state that you based your Yonge information on Sinclair's volume, yet, if you took the trouble to read the introduction to that book, you would have noted that at least one reviewer of the original volume had stated that it included many faults, and even lieutenant Armstrong had stated that it was "a trash pile of rubbish." Even a check of the roster in Sinclair's volume shows a number of errors, not only in the names of personnel (and he even states that the names of three personnel were omitted from the roster, one of whom was obviously Yonge), but also in giving the incorrect date of the transfer of four crew members to the TUSCALOOSA as January 21, 1863. Nowhere in this volume, if you used it as a basis for your article on Yonge, is it stated that Yonge was court martialled. You obviously have a very limited knowledge of military procedures, if any at all. A court martial would involve the gathering of witnesses and a board of officers, as well as other details that would have prolonged his stay on the vessel, instead of the "instant dismissal" that he was given.
Just because I have a number of sites on the web, I have never ever claimed to be "king of the castle" or to know my subject fully. Once again, you are not reading the introduction or perusing the subject matter fully, but just making assumptions, as you did with Yonge's supposed "court martial" or his supposed service on the LADY DAVIS, as paymaster. I know for sure, through official documentation that he did serve on the LADY DAVIS, but not as paymaster, as you indicate. I am not doing the web sites to make my name look good, as I clearly and properly show all my sources, so the ones who look good are the original sources shown. You are so quick to condemn, yet not ensuring accuracy in your condemnation, such as you did when you placed that accusation against me of plagiarism, at the web site, in 2001, and then later accusing me of "riding on the back of Michael Mars," whom I might add, I have not gone into further research on yet, as there are many others to be researched, such as the American engineer William Param Brooks, and his English born wife, who tearfully returned home to Wilts immediately on his leaving aboard the CSS STONEWALL, after his very short service on the CSS RAPPAHANNOCK. (This final comment is included to show that you are not the only one who has access to much private information, from primary or obscure sources)
My understanding of the word "PLAGIARISM," is the failure to acknowledge the use of the work of other authors, when quoting directly, paraphrasing or citing their work in support of one's own. Now, I repeat, once more, my web sites clearly show the works that I have used in my research, and I used Marvel's volume. I did not go directly to you and use your work. I correctly and properly cited the source that I had used, but you constantly ignore this point, which I have tried to make, time and time again. I know for a fact that not all the names and the information for each name, in Marvel's roster, is from you, as there is some indication of this in the roster itself, and at the preface. Plagiarism as an example, is using the photograph from another web site, after cutting off the copyright notice on this photo, and then placing it at one's own web site, without any indication of its original source. If you wish I could send you a copy of the OXFORD dictionary to check the meaning of this word. Your accusation against me, on a published web site, was libellous in content, and it certainly would not stand up in a court of law. Furthermore, when you make comments about the "stupidity" of other researchers, and call them "self serving egomaniacs," in messages sent to your correspondents, you have to be able to prove that these comments have a basis in fact. There certainly is no basis in your comment that I am riding on the back of Michael Mars, so don't make such comments if you are only assuming that I am concentrating a major research effort on this sailor. As with your assumptions on Yonge, this is also an assumption, and is definitely incorrect.
I never claimed anyone else who reads my web sites - and they do not have to if they do not want to - are my subjects, which, once again, is a claim of your own. I stated a long time ago, that I am doing this for the benefit of others, who do not have the benefit of the ORN, or other such primary sources at their fingertips, and many certainly do appreciate this.
If you have a problem with Elizabeth, William Marvel, Chris Old and others, you should take up the issue directly with them, instead of trying to falsely make accusations of plagiarism against those to whom they send their information. If that information is in error, then you can gloat all you want, but I will eventually research this, as I am doing with many other sailors on ALL the cruisers, as well as the vessels in the continental US. You also make statements (not to me but to another one of your correspondents) about how can someone living elsewhere do research on the CSN sailors who lived and died in England, but you fail to realise that outside researchers also have access to the contact details from the PRO, GRO, the Imperial War Museum, and numerous other facilities, so don't condemn if you don't know our methods.
I know of Fripp (and his service on the FISGARD and the ALGIERS) and the others of the same name, as well as others with a variant surname, so don't assume that I have no knowledge of this. Assumptions are dangerous, as they can be in error.
You may have gotten your information on Simpson from a newspaper, but I have mine from information written by another CSN sailor, and that would most certainly be quite valid, don't you think, especially since this CSN sailor had served with Simpson? Simpson was later to serve on another cruiser. I refer back to my last statement in the previous paragraph.
Unlike you I have not spent 15 or more years doing research on the CSS ALABAMA crew members alone, but I have been doing as many years or more research on the CSN in general. Still I do not claim to be an expert, and I realise that there will still be errors in some of the entries, but I have a disclaimer stating as much, and because of this, viewers are constantly coming forward with corrections, and I am also finding more data as I continue my research. It will be an endless task, but well worth it. I do not expect full credit for all my work, as everything comes from various other sources, but at least I do not claim it all as my very own work, even the information obtained from birth, marriage and death registrars, and other such primary sources. I do give, and have always given proper and correct credit to the sources that I personally use, so any accusations of plagiarism from anyone just reflects on the accuser, and not on me. At least one person who sent me a message out of the blue, sometime ago, stated categorically how important this citation of sources is, as it helps to check further at these sources. I do know of the importance of citation of sources.
Finally, I cannot understand why, if your original article on Yonge was published in 1993, and some nine or ten years later it was placed on the Internet, why did not one of the UK Civil War group, or yourself for that matter, realise that there were so many errors, especially with those incorrect dates, and the "court martial" information, in the intervening years? Does anyone who ever reads this take the trouble to check the facts, or do they just go along with what is published? As I stated previously, there are other errors on at least one other page, on the crew members of the CSS ALABAMA, at least one of which I spotted immediately, but I am awaiting copies of the official documentation from the UK and the US before advising of this, and the other errors.
I will repeat my e-mail address, which I had previously shown at another message to you, if you want to continue this discussion privately. It is: tfoenander@hotmail.com

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